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		<title>By: Zeitgeist « C.DLT</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zeitgeist « C.DLT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] don&#8217;t fall on &#8220;the side of the few.&#8221; How long will it take for us to realize that our freedoms are gone, that we have become slaves, that life has been [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t fall on &#8220;the side of the few.&#8221; How long will it take for us to realize that our freedoms are gone, that we have become slaves, that life has been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cdelatorre</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-40</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, Claire. But the burning question: how to mobilize. I&#039;ve been doing research (a bit of reading &quot;between stops&quot; so to speak) on what revolutionaries have done before us, to mobilize, incite, inspire. Have to start somewhere.

But just as all social issues are deeply seeded (Homophobia comes to mind, in that it originates with sexism - as does racism), the political issues of the day seem to begin (and may end) with money (or the lack of it). Money, it&#039;s all about money, money, money, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://leavesofthetree.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/got-the-blues-over-the-green/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;illusion of wealth&lt;/a&gt; post-modernism has bestowed upon us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Claire. But the burning question: how to mobilize. I&#8217;ve been doing research (a bit of reading &#8220;between stops&#8221; so to speak) on what revolutionaries have done before us, to mobilize, incite, inspire. Have to start somewhere.</p>
<p>But just as all social issues are deeply seeded (Homophobia comes to mind, in that it originates with sexism &#8211; as does racism), the political issues of the day seem to begin (and may end) with money (or the lack of it). Money, it&#8217;s all about money, money, money, and the <a href="http://leavesofthetree.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/got-the-blues-over-the-green/" rel="nofollow">illusion of wealth</a> post-modernism has bestowed upon us.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire J</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link you sent me via Shelfari. I enjoyed reading your post and I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. I become shaky and nauseated when I think too long and hard about these topics and what it means for my future and my (someday) children&#039;s future. I guess, now, what I need to do is get off my arse and do something about it. I&#039;m tired of all the cynicism. I&#039;m tired of the critics that have come to apathy, myself included. The dialogue is helpful, no doubt, but we need more than that.

Last night when Keith Olberman replayed his interview with George Carlin, I was struck by something Carlin said. He said that Americans have essentially been placated with our toys and other comforts. We somehow disassociate ourselves from the real infringements on our civil liberties because we have iPhones and Starbucks and it *seems* that we are unaffected. But if we don&#039;t do something, we will be directly affected. Why aren&#039;t some European or UK governments inciting fascist tactics on their citizens? Because their citizen wouldn&#039;t stand for it. They&#039;d be out in the streets, protesting in an uproar.

I think Americans need to pay attention. This all happened right under our noses, after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link you sent me via Shelfari. I enjoyed reading your post and I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more. I become shaky and nauseated when I think too long and hard about these topics and what it means for my future and my (someday) children&#8217;s future. I guess, now, what I need to do is get off my arse and do something about it. I&#8217;m tired of all the cynicism. I&#8217;m tired of the critics that have come to apathy, myself included. The dialogue is helpful, no doubt, but we need more than that.</p>
<p>Last night when Keith Olberman replayed his interview with George Carlin, I was struck by something Carlin said. He said that Americans have essentially been placated with our toys and other comforts. We somehow disassociate ourselves from the real infringements on our civil liberties because we have iPhones and Starbucks and it *seems* that we are unaffected. But if we don&#8217;t do something, we will be directly affected. Why aren&#8217;t some European or UK governments inciting fascist tactics on their citizens? Because their citizen wouldn&#8217;t stand for it. They&#8217;d be out in the streets, protesting in an uproar.</p>
<p>I think Americans need to pay attention. This all happened right under our noses, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: cdelatorre</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-38</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This just in from GuardianUK:

&quot;The future of the infamous Guantánamo detention centre was thrown into doubt yesterday after the US supreme court delivered the most serious blow yet to President George Bush&#039;s policy of holding prisoners indefinitely without trial.&quot;

Seems like the checks and balances are working.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/13/guantanamo.georgebush&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read the full article&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in from GuardianUK:</p>
<p>&#8220;The future of the infamous Guantánamo detention centre was thrown into doubt yesterday after the US supreme court delivered the most serious blow yet to President George Bush&#8217;s policy of holding prisoners indefinitely without trial.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems like the checks and balances are working.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/13/guantanamo.georgebush" rel="nofollow">Read the full article</a></p>
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		<title>By: cdelatorre</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-37</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great point.

Although we may at some point in the future need an &quot;all-encompassing&quot; event to swing the pendulum back to true democracy, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s the type of environment we&#039;d want to pervade for very long. I stand by democracy.

The problem, I feel, is that we are too young a species to responsibly embrace capitalism (which I also stand by). As we&#039;ve heard before, &quot;money is the root of all evil.&quot; And it&#039;s true. Look at all of the mishaps of society here and everywhere and it always seems to come back to the maldistribution of wealth and power.

With rising population and dwindling resources we&#039;re likely to see this problem magnify ten-fold. We&#039;ve seen the tip of the iceberg with Desert Storm and the Iraq War.

While I&#039;m not necessarily one for Anarchy (as traditionally taught), I would be open to learning more about how we can embrace its ideals to truly bring power back to the people. I think we can all agree that the lines between &quot;big corporation&quot; and &quot;government&quot; have blurred considerably. We must also be sure to keep our &quot;checks and balances&quot; in play: Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches of government must always be allowed to work independently of one another.

That&#039;s a process, I feel, the current administration has worked long and hard to undermine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point.</p>
<p>Although we may at some point in the future need an &#8220;all-encompassing&#8221; event to swing the pendulum back to true democracy, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s the type of environment we&#8217;d want to pervade for very long. I stand by democracy.</p>
<p>The problem, I feel, is that we are too young a species to responsibly embrace capitalism (which I also stand by). As we&#8217;ve heard before, &#8220;money is the root of all evil.&#8221; And it&#8217;s true. Look at all of the mishaps of society here and everywhere and it always seems to come back to the maldistribution of wealth and power.</p>
<p>With rising population and dwindling resources we&#8217;re likely to see this problem magnify ten-fold. We&#8217;ve seen the tip of the iceberg with Desert Storm and the Iraq War.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m not necessarily one for Anarchy (as traditionally taught), I would be open to learning more about how we can embrace its ideals to truly bring power back to the people. I think we can all agree that the lines between &#8220;big corporation&#8221; and &#8220;government&#8221; have blurred considerably. We must also be sure to keep our &#8220;checks and balances&#8221; in play: Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches of government must always be allowed to work independently of one another.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a process, I feel, the current administration has worked long and hard to undermine.</p>
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		<title>By: ininterest</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-36</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You probably realize this revolution/uprising of the people is termed Anarchy...It&#039;s entirely about community and doing what&#039;s right for the people as opposed to just a small faction, ie taking back power and command over resources - true freedom.  If anarchy redefines America then so be it.  The term never matters as much as the action.

I&#039;m not a spokesperson for them, but I know the Flobots have the same anarchic ideals behind pushing social activism.  glad you like them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably realize this revolution/uprising of the people is termed Anarchy&#8230;It&#8217;s entirely about community and doing what&#8217;s right for the people as opposed to just a small faction, ie taking back power and command over resources &#8211; true freedom.  If anarchy redefines America then so be it.  The term never matters as much as the action.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a spokesperson for them, but I know the Flobots have the same anarchic ideals behind pushing social activism.  glad you like them.</p>
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		<title>By: cdelatorre</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-35</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I would almost agree with you. Looking back at our history (particularly what our history books tell us about our forefathers -- and what they don&#039;t tell us) I found it hard to put into words what I am proud of. Mainly, it is the ideal. Sure, there is a whole lot about our country I would trade in a minute - racism and homophobia to name a few. But looking at all of the good our country has given us -- free speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to pursue your dreams, to start something from nothing and watch it fly -- those are the things we should fight for.

Thanks for the Flobots tip. I checked them out and I do like the lyrics. a lot.

C]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I would almost agree with you. Looking back at our history (particularly what our history books tell us about our forefathers &#8212; and what they don&#8217;t tell us) I found it hard to put into words what I am proud of. Mainly, it is the ideal. Sure, there is a whole lot about our country I would trade in a minute &#8211; racism and homophobia to name a few. But looking at all of the good our country has given us &#8212; free speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to pursue your dreams, to start something from nothing and watch it fly &#8212; those are the things we should fight for.</p>
<p>Thanks for the Flobots tip. I checked them out and I do like the lyrics. a lot.</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: ininterest</title>
		<link>http://christopherdelatorre.com/2008/06/09/proud-to-be-american/#comment-34</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t pride in an idealistic theory become insignificant after a long history of wrongdoing?  Democracy is a vacant word; people fill its definition with whatever they choose.

Check out the Flobots and their lyrics, I think you&#039;d like them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t pride in an idealistic theory become insignificant after a long history of wrongdoing?  Democracy is a vacant word; people fill its definition with whatever they choose.</p>
<p>Check out the Flobots and their lyrics, I think you&#8217;d like them.</p>
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